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In Democratic stronghold, a reluctant tilt to Obama - St. Petersburg Times

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"We're small business, and we just don't believe that John McCain and the Republicans are for small business," Mark said. "The middle class," Jack said.
"Man, there is no middle class."

As a Hillary supporter I told myself if she don't get the nominaton I would explore my options. After seeing the emptimess of McCain/Palin there is no way they get my vote. for me it's Obama all the way

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{"commentId":3445947,"authorDomain":"bobneve1"}

But after eight years of a Republican president, most of it with a Republican Congress, she is leery. The war in Iraq is a drag, excess on Wall Street has led to lean times on Main Street,

I think alot of folks are feeling this way. If the signs in my area (West Coat of Florida) are any indication this State is going Blue.

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Reply#1 - Sun Oct 12, 2008 5:37 AM EDT
{"commentId":3446017,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}

Wizeguy:

I honestly think that the Electoral Vote count on Election Night could be VERY different from what many people think it will be... not a close race and race as a negating factor. I've seen Obama's "Get Out The Vote" campaign and he does it just as well, if not better, than the Republicans and Rove. The Republicans just don't have the powder to beat this well-organized a campaign.

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#1.1 - Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:13 AM EDT
{"commentId":3446276,"authorDomain":"sunnyside"}

I hope you're right.  All of this talk about taking 6% off of Obama's numbers in the polls just due to the race issue and then trying to calculate how that figures in with the margin of error, just makes me edgy.  All the while, it's seems so clear that McCain just isn't going to take the country anywhere new AND he has this big albatross (the extreme right) hanging around his neck.
I truly hope the polls are wrong about how close the race is and the "Get Out the Vote" campaign will prove to be very organized and effective - by a wide margin. 

The DEMs need to take over.

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    #1.2 - Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:05 AM EDT
    {"commentId":3446812,"authorDomain":"mightyblogger"}

    The only issue Senator Obama has to speak to regarding small business is capital gains tax... I would like to hear real information on this.

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      #1.3 - Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:43 AM EDT
      {"commentId":3446862,"authorDomain":"bobneve1"}

      It was proven during the Clinton Admistration leaving the Capital Gains tax low took in more and help the economy. BHO would be smart to follow this credo.

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        #1.4 - Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:51 AM EDT
        {"commentId":3456923,"authorDomain":"uncleandy"}

        Well, if you read the Obama Economic Plan, he is not necessarily calling for an increase in Taxes across the board, capital gains tax or otherwise.  However, as you and everyone else knows, it is not really his call as it is the decision of the collective congress of what the actual plan will be.

         

        Obama’s basic argument is that people who make more than $250,000 a year generally speak, don’t spend money.  He theory is the people who are under $250,000 a year that get a tax break will spend the extra money thereby creating more income and growth in the economy. 

         

        The people who make more the $250,000 a year would pay a higher income tax percentage however, they would also make a higher percentage of income off their investments and in some cases, get a tax cut on certain investments in specific industries like Renewable Energy.  The additional income on those investments would offset the higher tax rate on other traditional investments like Oil Markets etc… 

         

        The bottom line of his proposal is basically to take less tax money directly from people who make under $250,000 and pickup the tax money on the other end of the system.  The people who make more than 250,000 a year, to ensure they keep their tax exposures to a minimum will have to diversify their portfolios into things other than traditional stocks.  The tax increase on the plus 250,000 a year folks is basically a penalty for not investing in new growth markets like renewable energy.  People like T Boone Pickens and those who invest in his renewable energy companies would not be affected so much by the tax increase as would people who invest in companies like Exxon/Mobile.

         

        Remember, you would have to make more the $250,000 a year to be affected by this and Senior Citizens who make less than $50,000 would not pay any taxes at all.

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          #1.5 - Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:48 AM EDT
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          {"commentId":3446047,"authorDomain":"bobneve1"}

          Amen to that! I am also hoping it swings the local election here. We need change on our County Level. I have good friend running for County Commissioner. We are hoping he rides the Democratic wave into office.

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          Reply#2 - Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:28 AM EDT
          {"commentId":3446058,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}

          I am running a local Democrat's campaign... I'm hoping Obama's tide will lift all boats and his coattails carry many Democrats into office.

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          #2.1 - Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:36 AM EDT
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          {"commentId":3446203,"authorDomain":"johnmccreery"}

          With us all pulling together, we can get it done.

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            Reply#3 - Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:45 AM EDT
            {"commentId":3446308,"authorDomain":"oblivion1968"}

            John, and others pulling together, is the theme of Obama, but for some reason, some people just do not get the message, maybe because it is so simple and folks are not accustomed to that word. KEEP THE FAITH AND KEEP ON PULLING.

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              Reply#4 - Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:14 AM EDT
              {"commentId":3446453,"authorDomain":"danny-soapbox"}

              I am from the town in PA that for many drivers serves as the crossroads of Pennsylvania: Carlisle.

              It's where the PA turnpike meets up with central east coast Route 81, a small yet ever-growing community of folks who hunt, fish, lose a day at a rope swing on the Susquehanna river; people who work in local factories or at a few intelligently relocated corporate headquarters or at any one of the hundred or so truck stops or at all manner of irreplaceable little places that give my hometown a proud "beat up" America kind of vibe.

              My mom raised myself, three other boys and one girl to adulthood by herself in this town--three out of five of us made it to college; the other two are salt-of-the-earth workers and citizens anyone'd be proud to live next to. It was a struggle, sure--but circumstances have a way of shaping a person's character. It was tough for a lot of people in my quiet little housing development in North Middleton Township...but we had each other and had our families.

              Tough as my single parent upbringing was, (plenty of times a slip of cardboard went into my sneakers to spare mom from buying new tennis shoes...lots of kids made fun of me for wearing the same exact dress shirt for three years worth of school pictures...and there were months where the food ran out before the next paycheck)....my mom worked hard to show me the opportunity we all could have through hard work and dedication to something...in my case, that was writing (and education in general), football and basketball.

              I earned charitable scholarships that paid for part of my tuition to the University of Pittsburgh, and though I had to give up football and basketball to work while in college, I managed to take the circumstances of my youth and make something of myself...growing beyond my small town to land in one of America's most blue-collar cities (with a white-collar footprint that would surprise you).

              My point in writing all of this is to let you know that my experience is far closer to Barack Obama's than John McCain's...Obama's a man reared by a single parent, a young boy who traveled the world as a kid...from Kansas to Indonesia to Hawaii....having to struggle not only with not having a dad, but with his own identity. His mom worked hard, and with the help of loving grandparents and charitable scholarship, Barack found a way to elevate his opportunity beyond the borders of a single parent home or strange upbringing.

              I wish the people who come from where I come from would simply take a moment to sit up and REALIZE that Barack Obama IS the American Dream we all learned about in Carlisle High Shool... rather than believe what they see in a thirty-second sound bite from folks simply looking to earn a vote. Folks looking to scare them. Folks looking to play on fear rather than hope.

              I'm 41 years old now, happily married with one child (and another on the way). I live in a small community in Pittsburgh's South Hills, one a little more guarded and jaded than the one I grew up in, but a good place, a decent place to raise a family. I have a small business that I started 8 years ago...though by God's grace and a truckload of hard work, I've had the great fortune of being able to pay the bills as a professional writer for over 15 years now.

              I support Barack Obama because he represents what each of us CAN be in this country, no matter what our circumstances. Because of what he inspires in young men and young women who maybe haven't grown up with the prejudices and stereotypes that I did.

              I couldn't be more white, or more small town, (or more Joe Six Pack)...and I support Barack Obama because he represents me (and all of us) best. It's a small truth, and just one little story out of millions in a country TIRED of living year after year in an ever-spiraling status quo.

              If you still believe in the American Dream, then there's hope for you too...it just doesn't look like the hope you learned about as a kid, is all I'm saying.

              Barack Obama for President.

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              Reply#5 - Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:44 AM EDT
              {"commentId":3446633,"authorDomain":"sunnyside"}

              Pittsburgh Dan-

              You truly captured the context of Obama's campaign beautifully.  On the surface Obama seems so "other" but as you learn more about him, you realize he's had experiences that have moved him through various economic classes, across racial lines, and he's endured challenges that have put his faith to the test – and yet he remains an optimist.  His varied experiences enable him to identify with so many different kinds of people instantly.  He's genuinely intelligent, fair, and his success IS a testament that America affords any dedicated, hardworking, law-abiding citizen an opportunity to choose their own path in life.  Thanks for the post, I hope you have a great day!    

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              #5.1 - Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:16 AM EDT
              {"commentId":3446696,"authorDomain":"bobneve1"}

              I'm glad someone from the area where the story came from replied. I found it in my local paper. Now we see we are all in the same boat. Job's here in Florida are just as hard to come by. The little guy is getting killed.

              Barack (That Guy) Obama/Biden 2008 Landslide

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                #5.2 - Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:26 AM EDT
                {"commentId":3446713,"authorDomain":"yorkark"}

                This election season thanks to McCain and his hate machine has taken politics back to the era we thought we had lived through and succeeded to leave behind the 60's and   70's.  This man and his hate machine would be a disaster if he gets to the WH and Dems even if you have doubts about Obama, you can see what McCain is and what his administration will be please take a chance and stay with your party and if you cannot do that vote for Barr but don't let McCain have four years to take us back 40 years.

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                  #5.3 - Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:29 AM EDT
                  {"commentId":3446735,"authorDomain":"danny-soapbox"}

                  Sunny--thanks for the read--it just kinda hit me while watching the latest round of "spin" on the cable shows..."SAY...they're painting all us small towners (or small towners at heart) with the same brush!"I worked my first volunteer table last night...a street fair on a cool fall evening in a little neighborhood...and I learned from my neighbors..I am not alone!Have a great day, all!

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                  #5.4 - Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:32 AM EDT
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                  {"commentId":3446518,"authorDomain":"uncleandy"}

                  Well, neither McCain or Palin has ventured to far from the Conservative camp.  They are not reaching out to the fair weather voters, the people who only pay attention when the country is in despair, instead, they are staying behind the conservative bulwark trying to rally their base.  That is way the campaign keeps bringing up issues like terrorism and abortion.   The McCain camp is trying to get there own base to vote for them at the very least. 

                  The fact of the matter is, fair weather voters don’t really care about either issue, much less pay attention to them, they are only concerned about themselves and what they are doing.  Heck, if the country was doing peachy right now, they would not even bother with the election. 

                  These people are otherwise not political.  They do not care about yard signs and bumper stickers, they just want to vote and get it over with. 

                   

                  Unfortunately for McCain, the subtext coming out of the Republican base has all been bigotry and race and to McCain’s credit, he has been trying to do everything he can to change that or at the very least keep a lid on it.  He knows the party base will vote for him but to win this election, he needs to fair weather voters to side with them which is hard to do when all the they are hearing is “wink-wink, nod-nod, Obama is a black separatist Muslim terrorist.”    All that does is push more fair weather voters towards Obama because they really don’t believe that nor do they care.  They just want someone to fix the country or at the very least, the country to change its current direction and McCain has come up short on explain how he intends to do that.  Instead McCain has to run around slapping people like Rep. Senator Mel Martinez who goes on Nation TV saying things like “Obama’s affiliations are an issue.”  Not to fair weather voters you dumb ass.  What is an issue is how people are going to keep their house or pay their bills or even keep their jobs.  They do not want to talk about Obama’s race, or his pastor, or even his middle name. 

                  What is abundantly clear is the republicans in general still appear to be out of touch with the severity of the economic down turn and are acting in a less than sincere manner about how bad it really is.  That will pretty much assure Obama’s election in my opinion.

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                  Reply#6 - Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:56 AM EDT
                  {"commentId":3446820,"authorDomain":"uncleandy"}

                  I see the Miami Herald’s front Page today is that Obama is pretty much a shoe in if things stay as they are for the next 3 weeks.  More so, if the stock market continues to melt down, Obama will be a landslide winner. 

                   

                  I think the only thing that could help McCain at this point is if the Republicans convince all the banks and creditors to put a moratorium on debt collection and foreclosures for the next 3 weeks.  Nothing like getting an automated collections call and a automated McCain/Palin campaign call on your answering machine on the same day.  It really does send a message of how out of touch McCain really is.

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                    Reply#7 - Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:45 AM EDT
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